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Fig.1 The author — Pre Op

Fig.2 Stunt-double hand exemplifying excessive sweating

Fig.3 Stunt-double skin

INTRODUCTION

I have had Hyperhydrosis for as long as I can remember. Mostly on hands, and to a lesser extent on feet and underarms. I remember as a kid of 5 yrs old thinking, "Gee, I don't understand why the commercial says M&Ms melt in your mouth, not in your hands. They melt in my hands!" The problem got worse when I "discovered girls" because this condition is exasperated under high-stress. Shaking hands with anyone was generally a nightmare. Luckily, the problem got better as I got older, likely because I became a more confident person. Nevertheless, it was still bothersome. When I discovered there is a relatively safe, fast, and very effective treatment out there, I figured I might as well be done with this friggin' problem forever!

I underwent the Endoscopic Thoracic Sympathectomy (ETS) on Monday, August 27th, 2001 at 11:37am. Everything happened nearly as my conversations with people had indicated it would. Although it had been described to me by so many, I couldn't believe it really worked. It was as if someone had flipped a switch inside my body. I came out of surgery with dry, warm hands, and they have not sweat since!

Hyperhydrosis results from an overactive sympathetic nervous system. This part of the nervous system communicates with the hypothalamus and controls sweating. Those of us with this problem (<1% of population), typically have more of these types of nerves. So, the idea is that blocking the nerve impulses corrects the problem. These nerves branch from the spinal cord at T2 and T3 (T=Thoracic at top). These major sympathetic nerve trunks branch further into what are called "Kuntz" nerves. Most surgeons only affect the main trunks, while others (only 1 I have found) also manipulate the Kuntz nerves, resulting in more precise control of where sweating is stopped while minimizing side effects.

 

TREATMENTS NON-SURGICAL

There are a number of non-surgical treatments out there, and I've tried most. None seem to really work. When I was about 15, I tried Drysol topical antiperspirant and the Drionic electric-shock-stimulus device. Neither worked very well, and were a pain due to having to apply once per day or more. Recently, I tried Maxim with little success. I never tried Botox, but have read that its results are on the order of the other non-surgical treatments.

 

Fig.4 Non-surgical treatments

 

Fig.5 Gender-impaired stunt-double with MicroETS entry points indicated

TREATMENTS SURGICAL

As a kid, I remember asking the doctor about surgical procedures. He told me there was one, but it was quite invasive. He likened it to open-heart surgery--crack open chest, collapse the lungs, long recovery period, major scarring, etc. (in-patient to say the least!)

Not sure what possessed me, but about a month ago I decided to do a search on the net. Discovered that in recent years with the advancement of endoscopic techniques, there is now an outpatient procedure that takes about 1 hour, requires a 1/12 to 1" incision under each armpit, and there are a few surgeons that have performed more than 2000 times with 98% success rate, and little or no side effects.

 

TREATMENTS SURGICAL (CONT.)

Only notable side effect is Compensatory Sweating (CS)--the body gets upset because it can no longer sweat thru hands. It compensates by excessive sweating elsewhere. Nearly everyone I talked to (or read comments posted by) (95%+) have indicated that this has not been a issue or the problem is less of an issue than hand sweating.

There are 2 acceptable surgical techniques today. Both are considered Endoscopic Thoracic Sympathectomy (ETS)—"clamping" and "clipping". ETS is a bit of a misnomer for the 1st technique because the nerve is not really severed. Instead a titanium clamp is place on the nerve to shunt impulses. The 2nd technique does actually involve cutting of the nerve.

I opted for cutting. Although clamping is claimed to be more reversible (in case CS is severe), it must really be done within 1-2 wks. However, excessive CS may not arise until after that. After 1-2 wks the clamps have also shunted blood supply to nerve (so nerve is dead) and scar tissue has likely formed, which could lead to complications resulting from bleeding if a reversal were attempted. Of all the folks I talked to or read about, only 1 has wanted a reversal. However, as it turned out, he opted for a redo.

 

Fig.6 Stunt-double with sympathetic nerve, T2/T3, and MicroETS entry points indicated

 

Fig.7 Stunt-double undergoing MicroETS

Fig.8 The author's actual insides (Before) Sympathetic Top, Kuntz Bottom

Fig.9 The author's actual insides (After)

 

THE BIG OPERATION

I arrived in San Antonio, Texas a few days early. Took some time to get my bearings, sight see a bit, eat some good down home cookin', etc. Showed up for my pre-op on Monday 7am. Got my blood work done, then waited to be called in. I got into my robe, laid on my gurney, and awaited consultation with the anesthesiologist and surgeon.

Anesthesiologist was great in describing to me how he would put me out. Also, confirmed (the 3rd person to ask, which was comforting) what other meds, if any, I was taking. Turns out something as innocuous-seeming as Vitamin E needs to be reported because it can impair blood clotting. Then, I spoke with Dr. Neilson. He asked me once again what areas of my bod were causing problems. We decided to manipulate T2 nerves only because this generally works for most ppl and results in a reduced risk of developing CS.

I was taken into the OR. There were about 5 wonderful assistants in there doing various things to get me prepped. Sensors were placed all over, I was strapped down (yikes!), and we joked around, etc. After being in there for about half an hour, Dr. Neilson walked in. He attached a thermo sensor to each hand and told me my pre-op palmer temp was 75.2 deg. Then, the anesthesiologist came in and said hello. Next thing I knew, there was a crazy, wild feeling that started in my head. Very quickly it totally relaxed me all over...then, nothing...

I woke up sitting upright in a big comfy chair in the recovery room. I was told my post-op palmer temp was 93.2 deg. My hands felt nice and warm AND dry. It was a great feeling! After eating some M&Ms in recovery (I just had to do that! It was great pouring a whole bunch of 'em in my hand and watching them NOT melt!) Once I was able to convince the nurse I could walk without falling over, I was discharged.

When we returned to the hotel, although groggy, I felt I just had to do everything I could to test out my new hands! Unfortunately, I was a little sore, so exercising was a bit out of the question. I decided to drink several cups of coffee to see what would happen! Although I got jittery, no sweat!

But, I still wasn't quite convinced. We went to dinner later that evening. It was still about 85 degrees with 85% humidity (yes, it was hot!) My hands weren't sweating, and in the past they surely would have been. It was then that I started thinking, "Hmm...maybe this worked after all!"

Incidentally, soreness from surgery was very mild. I would liken it to a feeling of being sore after having worked out too hard the previous day.

 

DAY 1 FOLLOW-UP

I had my follow-up mtg with Dr. Neilson the next morning. To further push the limits, I wore sneakers without socks. In the past, this would have triggered my feet which would have set off my hands. But, no problemo! I spent about 45 minutes with him. He asked me how I was doing. I told him I was doing great, but still couldn't believe the results. I told him I keep waiting for my hands or feet to start sweating or for CS to kick in. He said if I were going to have CS, I should have noticed it by then. That was encouraging.

I also confirmed a few things with Dr. Neilson that thru my research I thought were true. 1) He is the only doctor that uses the Micro procedure that only req's the 1/12" incision. 2) There are relatively few surgeons in the world that do ETS, unbelievably, there are still surgeons out there performing the very invasive procedure!
 

Fig.10 Peanut M&Ms (What is it about the green ones?)

 

Fig.11 The author's actual sweat-free hands

 

WEEK 1 RESULTS "NO SWEAT"

My major concerns were effectiveness of the procedure, possibility of CS, and recovery period. I have been lucky on all counts!

I'm sure that at it's worst CS is probably pretty bad. For me, it has been minimal. In fact, I would even venture to guess that this might be how non-HH ppl sweat. Furthermore, it only happens when I'm exerting myself (at the gym, etc.) and not when I'm just sitting around. I believe the key is Dr. Neilson's approach to working with the Kuntz nerves while other doctors deny their significance. I trust Dr. Neilson particularly because he takes a closed-loop approach to treating HH. During my follow-up, he gave me several surveys that he asked me to return to him over the course of the next year (1wk, 1month, 6mos, 1yr). They will provide him with feedback on how effective my specific surgery was. This allows him to fine-tune his technique, thereby mitigating secondary effects.

My speed in recovering from surgery continues to amaze me. They gave me 50 painkillers. I only had to take 6 over a 36 hr stretch right after surgery (mostly so I could go to sleep with out having to think about the mild pain). My surgery was Monday 11:30am. By Thursday 7:30pm, I was back in the gym doing 90% of my normal workout! Saturday, I went to the gym again. Sunday, I went kayaking in the a.m. Monday, I went on a 30 mile bike ride! I just can't believe it...I figured I'd be out of commission for at least a couple of wks...

 

INSURANCE "DON'T SWEAT IT"

I have found that insurance pays for anything from 0-100%! Mine (Blue Shield of California, $35 Copay Plan) pays for 70%, but I have a $3,500/yr stop loss, so that is the extent of the damage on my pocketbook. Total cost for operation including anesthesiologist, hospital fees, etc. is about $15-20k. In most cases, you can call or write the doctor's office, give them your insurance info, they will contact your insurance, and reply to you with the amount your insurance will cover. Most can get back to you in about a day. My PPO did not require a pre-authorization on the surgery, but some might.

 

Fig.12 NorthEast Baptist, San Antonio, TX (Way too early in the morning...)

 

Fig.13 The author — Post Op

 

ET CETERA

Raynaud's Disease — A related condition that causes cold, dry hands. Apparently, there is an inverse relationship between sweat glands and arteries in the hands. When sweat glands are active, arteries are constricted. Constricted vessels and evaporation of sweat both cause cold hands. Ppl with hyperhydrosis can experience these conditions separately or together. Both are cured by ETS.

Under the Knife — Two major concerns were how bad the procedure itself was going to be, and how unpleasant recovery would be. Taking a look at my post-op picture to the left should help calm any concerns regarding both. I can't believe I looked and felt so "normal" after having just been in surgery 30-45 minutes prior...

Evangelism — While at dinner the day of my surgery, I asked our server to shake my hand (shaking hands is my new hobby). At first she looked at me like I was a bit off my rocker, but then I explained that I had just had this surgery. Her jaw nearly hit the ground, and unbelievably she immediately sat down and told me she and her father have the same condition! She went on to say that they had been told by their doctors that the very-invasive procedure was their only option. Needless to say, the opted out of that procedure. We spent a while chatting, and I gave her all the info I could. Don't be ashamed of your former condition! You may be cured, but many ppl still don't know about ETS.

Disclaimer — I don't claim to be an expert on Hyperhydrosis (or anything else mentioned on this site). The information presented here has been distilled from research on the web, corresponding with former HH patients, surgeons, and personal experience. So far, I feel I'm very lucky--my procedure resulted in all of the good effects without any of the negatives. (Keeping my fingers crossed.) Your situation could be different. Get the facts for yourself.

 

OTHER RESOURCES

http://dreamwater.org/etspatients

Folks here have had the procedure and are very friendly and willing to openly discuss the outcomes of their surgeries. Amazingly the age range is from 15 to 50! Here are the ppl I've talked to. Kristina S, Connie Sorrentilo, Nancy Brown, Margo, Mariel Alzola, Kristen Behrens, Adam. They have all been very supportive, and often replied with pages upon pgs.

http://www.hyperhidrosisusa.com

This is Dr. Neilson's web site. He is the surgeon I chose because he 1) pioneered the "micro" ETS technique which requires a smaller incision (1/12" vs. 1"), 2) has done the surgery >2200 times, 3) is in-network for Blue Shield (and Blue Cross, and likely others), 4) has a great support staff, 5) site is very informative, indicating to me that he knows his stuff, 6) past patients speak highly of him and his staff.

http://reduce.to/bfs

Excellent forum.

http://www.sweaty-palms.com/facil.htm

This is Dr. Reisfeld's web site. He has also done the surgery many times (2600). He uses the "clamping technique".

http://sd-neurosurgeon.com/diseases/hyperhydrosis.html

Another informational site.

http://www.excessive-sweating-hyperhidrosis.com

General info.

 

Fig.14 The sky with sun, clouds, and lens flare

 

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